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Eugene Soo & Eileen Sim

Senior Estate & Succession Practitioners

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This interview was taken as an excerpt from 24th issue of “The Custodian”.

Eugene Soo's Interview

Why choose PreceptsGroup for estate planning?

Senior Estate & Succession Practitioner Eugene Soo has been working with PreceptsGroup for 14 years. He explains his philosophy to achieve success in estate planning

1. What got you started on estate planning?

I started estate planning in the early days, when I was a financial consultant. One day, I met a group of clients who are retiring and they asked me a lot of questions about wealth distribution. I was very new to this, and I saw the need, how I needed to help them. More than 10 years ago, the awareness of estate planning was not very well-developed. I was constantly searching for support and knowledge to be able to help them in this area.

2. What options were you exploring when you were searching for a company to partner with?

I was searching for a platform that could really help me from end to end. I started with one of the platforms that specialises in Will writing services. But after a couple of months, I realised I needed more help, particularly in the area of Trust planning. That was when I started to explore further and came to know PreceptsGroup, which was formerly known as Rockwills.

3. How did you learn about PreceptsGroup?

I first chanced upon the firm when I wanted to help a client set up a Trust. I went around comparing Trust companies, of course discreetly, and find out more about their services. I would say PreceptsGroup was the most accessible – both in terms of products and also customer service – because they have a team of specialists who will help the client onboard in a seamless process.

4. Why did you choose to onboard with PreceptsGroup?

From the many client approaches and review, I would sometimes ask them why they decided to proceed. The common reason I found was that they heard of the company and they also found it reliable when it comes to estate succession matters.

Before the Covid-19 pandemic started, PreceptsGroup had a Family Day, when I invited my Trust clients and their families to come together to interact with the management of the company. It was an annual affair that I always looked forward to because it added credibility to the relationship that Trust clients had with the company. I recall a client who was in the compliance team of a local bank and a high flyer. She wanted to see the internal governance of PreceptsGroup. I sent her a deck of materials I got from the team and in there were the processes, governance, and layers of checks and balances.

The client was very pleased to see the internal structure and systems that have been put in place. She even referred one of her close friends to me.

5. How many years have you been working with Precepts and how has it supported you?

Wow, 14 years. Time really flies. It seems like just yesterday. Throughout the years, I always feel supported. You see, each case is unique and there are new things to learn every day. I will always go back to the team at PreceptsGroup for help. I recall I had the opportunity to meet with a client who owns a public listed company. He wanted to set up a PTC (private trust company) and his assets were worth around S$500 million.

Mr Lee Chiwi, the PreceptsGroup chief executive officer himself, offered to accompany me for my meeting and also did the presentation. I sat there feeling assured.

6. We hear that people say PreceptsGroup is expensive. Is it true?

Sadly, it is true. PreceptsGroup is expensive. But wait a minute, I would like to draw a comparison. Is a McDonald’s soft serve ice cream priced at S$1.00 more expensive or is a Cornetto priced at S$2.20? I would think that the Cornetto is much cheaper considering the chocolate-coated peanuts, the toppings and strawberry flakes that come along with the ice cream. It is the same with PreceptsGroup. It is only expensive if we sell ourselves short.

Make use of all the training provided by PreceptsGroup and extend it to your clients in the appointment. If you can show enough value to your client, your clients will find your services cheap!

7. Some people prefer to refer their clients to a 3rd party instead of hand-holding the clients themselves. What do you think?

A financial consultant (FC) approached me recently. The FC’s client wanted to write a Will and the FC referred the client to another platform, not knowing exactly what the platform provided, apart from the fact that they do Will writing.

The FC learnt that the firm had sold the client a 5-pay limited endowment plan saying that holding too much cash would freeze the estate upon a demise. Unfortunately, the free-look period was over and there wasn’t any way to do damage control. The FC told me that she should have done it on her own and learnt estate planning many, many years back. I always teach this: Your client is also your competitor’s prospect. Hand-holding is not a choice. It is a basic principle that all FCs should embark upon.

8. Some people do not believe in paying to partner with a company, what do you think of that?

I am a firm believer of paying for support, help, know-how and also progression. Over the years, this formula has helped me to seek out some of the most valuable help that enabled me to close very tough cases. My ROI has exceeded just the fees that I pay for this support. At the end of the day, It’s the skills that I carry with me for life that matters.

Note: The full video can be viewed from PreceptsGroup Youtube https://youtu.be/BdERimrSURI

This interview was taken as an excerpt from 33rd issue of “The Custodian”.

Eileen Sim's Interview

1. When did you become a Precepts Estate & Succession Practitioner?

I become an ESP in year 2015.

2. What prompted you to consider a career and business as a Precepts Estate & Succession Practitioner? Why did you choose Estate Planning?

I started as a PA to one of the ESP and from there, I decide to convert to become 1 myself. I find that its interesting as we meet people with different life stories that require different family planning – there is never one with the same planning throughout the many years of my career!

3. What difference did Precepts make in your journey?

Precepts provide affordable solution that we can propose for our clients and all the staff are very helpful for our cases. The marketing team also made the effort to provide us with leads and that is very helpful.

4. What are some of your core beliefs for Estate Planning?

It’s a must to have proper planning to prevent your family from having to go through unnecessary hassles, trouble and pain when you are no longer around. We plan for the unforeseen because if we can foresee what’s going to happen, then actually there is no need to plan.

5. What do you think clients should look out for when they are doing their estate planning to distribute their wealth?

What are the blindspot their executors and beneficiaries have to go through in the future when their Will/Trust are activated as estate planning is never for yourself but for your loved ones. They have to put themselves in their loved ones shoes- are they able to handle? Is it easy for them to handle? What do they actually prefer (e.g cash over hard assets)?

6. We understand you regularly help individuals and families set up Trusts. What is the biggest challenge you face when you talk to them?

Understanding how does the Trust concept works from a laymen point of view. A lot of them feel that its very daunting to set up a Trust but actually, it’s quite easy with proper guidance.

7. What are some of the principles you use to help them overcome these challenges?

I told them it’s my job to guide them through and help them with their planning as that is what it’s all about. They don’t need to overthink as they do not know what they don’t know. I will be helping them to process their thinking and cover what are the blindspots they will need to take note. Proper and prudent planning to ensure their hard earned assets are well protected yet their beneficiaries can tap onto it in times of need.

8. How long is the normal process to complete a family wealth succession?

Max 3 sessions- initial consultation, planning the LOW and signing.

9. What do you enjoy most about the business?

The satisfaction when most clients thank me saying they now have a peace of mind after every signing session. Also, I know that these assets and beneficiaries will be well protected in the future.

10. Tell us more about what motivates you in this business?

That I can highlight what are some of the blindspots that most clients do not think about and they are able to cater for it.

11. What do your colleagues and/or family members think about you being an Estate Planner?

They always think is it something related to law or lawyer haha. I have to explain but they are quite amazed by it too. Some of my friends and family members even asked me to do up the planning for them!

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